i'm harris. two seconds the factor. >> laura: the o'reilly factor is on. tonight: >> what you saw was the person on top mma style straddle position, correct? >> correct. >> laura: bombshell testimony today at the george zimmerman/trayvon martin murder trial. >> the person who you now know to be trayvon martin was on top, correct? >> correct. >> as a key witness takes the stand, we will have complete courtroom analysis. >> anybody who tries to inject race into it is wrong. >> laura: after trayvon martin's friend uses racially charged language on the witness stand the martin family lawyer suddenly claims race is not a factor in the case, but it wasn't always that way. >> he was executed for wwb,

nagc. walking while black in a gated community. >> we have a debate. >> if there is someone saw what i worked for and they had wanted it. >> laura: paula deen's cookbooks are flying off the shelves as her fans race to her defense. is this the beginning of a come back for the star chef? caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. >> laura: hi, i'm laura ingraham in for bill o'reilly. racial tensions in the trayvon martin trial that the subject of this evening's talking points memo. you probably heard testimony of rachel jeantel who was on the phone with him right before he was

shot by george zimmerman. on a few key points, her story has changed from what she originally told authorities. she described zimmerman this way, according to what martin told her. >> she said the man looked creepy. >> creepy white, cracker. >> they are having trouble hearing you. take your time. >> creepy ass cracker. >> you are saying in the culture that you live in, in your community, people call people there call white people crackers? >> yes, sir. >> and do they use the "n" word regularly? >> yes, sir. >> she went on to say that she didn't think this was racist. for many nonblacks this was shocking to hear. after all paula deen has been excoriated for the last week and lost most of hers business interest for admitting to using the "n" word in the past. yet liberal defenders of ms. jeantel took to the internet and cable to scold white america for failing

to understand her point of view. she may not be sophisticated but she is authentic in the black culture the argument goes. folks, this is insane. so it's a cultural badge of honor to demean and degrade based on skin color if you are a person of color? or are those who are going out of their way to excuse ms. jeantel's comments just suffering from an overdose of white guilt? in other words, we have to excuse her poor manners, her disrespectful language and cocky ignorance because she is black? it's all part of the culture william raspberry called it once the ghetto okay crazy. left wing elites fall over themselves to criticize behavior black use that they would never tolerate from most upper crust white kids like the use of the "n" word or f word or c word. when that maps chill out. it's all part of the culture we hear or the kids who wear saggy pants around their thighs, big deal. what if they insult the police?

can you blame them? well, what if they can't read cursive? look, most kids today struggle with cursive. this is an example of what danielle patrick moynahan called the soft bigotry of low expectations. everyone from tom sowell to bill cosby pointed out when we set a low bar for people they never end up rising above it there are a lot of complicated issues bubbling up during this trial, but every young person, regarding will of skin color should have a family who teaches right from wrong and also an education that provides the basic skills necessary to communicate clearly and correctly. so making excuses for poor performance and lousy manners because of skin color just keeps kids stuck in a cycle of under achievement and resentment. we're all better than that and that's the memo. we'll have more on the racial element of the trial a bit later in the program. first, the top story tonight. the latest from inside the courtroom today where a key witness described the

intense events leading up to the deadly shooting of trayvon martin. including what looked like a mixed martial arts fight between martin and george zimmerman. >> what you saw was the person on top in an mma style straddle position, correct? >> correct. >> it was further described, was it not, as being ground and pound? >> correct. >> the person who you now know to be trayvon martin was on top, correct? >> correct. >> and he was the one who was raining blows down on the person on the bottom george zimmerman, right? >> that's what it looked like. >> i'm not asking for 1 herks% accuracy i'm asking for 1 common sense. if that was george zimmerman's voice screaming the person on the bottom. >> that's my. >> did you ever see him slam the person's head on the concrete over and over and over? >>. no. >> did you see at any time the person on top grab the person on the bottom's head and slam it into the concrete? >> no. >> joining us now from los angeles anahita and from

new york jonah spilbore, both are attorneys. anahita, let's start with you, that was some testimony, of course, from the neighbor, mr. good, who said he witnessed what looked like this -- like mixed martial arts pound and ground moment. how devastating was that to the prosecution? >> the entire day today was another disaster, laura, for the prosecution. i mean, after listening to two days of the other star witness for the prosecution rachel jeantel, i didn't think it could get any worse but it did today. you really have to question what is the prosecution doing? what is their strategy? this is their case in chief. this is their time to put on evidence and put on witnesses that support their theory of the case. and what we have seen so far, again, with this particular witness john good is that these witnesses are actually supporting the defense's position in this case. and i think the two points that this john good

testified to today point by point corroborate zimmerman's version of events. i don't think the defense could have put on a better witness today quite frankly. >> laura: johnna, i was flipping on. i thought wow, the defense is already putting on their witnesses. did i not realize initially this was a prosecution witness and then we'll move on to the other part of the day. this was quite stunning. i mean, it wasn't the little -- you know, little child that we saw in a lot of those pictures at least the description if we're led to believe that that was trayvon martin on top of zimmerman, quote, straddling him with that position. >> this is true. i have to agree with both you, john good's testimony today was actually very good for the defense. unfortunately, is he a prosecution witness. however, the prosecutor was able to get some little nuggets from him such as he did not witness george zimmerman's head being slammed against the sidewalk, okay. he actually testified that he didn't really see contact between the person who was on top, his fist to

somebody else's face. he didn't see that let's remember one thing. today is not the only day of the testimony. and if you take john god's testimony and you compare it to a couple of the witnesses yesterday though ho saw the version of events from a different time perspective, now you have got some of them saying wait a minute, i thought it was george zimmerman on top. today john good saying i think it was trayvon martin on top. it's not a slam dunk for george zimmerman, even though today's testimony was damaging for the prosecution. >> laura: anahita, then we have the neighbor who also is featured today. and the neighbor made the call, was going to make the call to zimmerman's wife because zimmerman gets cuffed at the scene. and the neighbor said well zimmerman seemed very calm and said just tell her that i shot somebody. i don't know what that ended up proving or helping the prosecution or not. to me it was not all that exciting that part of it. >> exactly, laura. i agree with everything you have said so far.

i think that was totally irrelevant. it doesn't go to prove anything. again what your other getion said helps the defense. doubt now. the defense has been able to show reasonable doubt. some witnesses saying they saw one thing. john good who testified today incidentally the only witness who actually walked outside and saw some the altercation take place say that he saw another. that's built in reasonable doubt. that is a victory for the defense right there and we have to question again, what is the prosecution's strategy? you would have to speculate the reason they put john good on the stand because i too laura, when i put on the television today thought i was watching the defense witness today. but you would have to think they are doing this to sort of diffuse the blow, knowing that his testimony was going to hurt them and show the jurors, you know, we are not really hiding anything from you. but it back fired. because he, again, point by point corroborated george zimmerman's version of events. >> counselor, thanks so much. and up next, geraldo rivera will weigh in on the zimmerman trial. and the latest on the nfl

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>> laura: in the fridays with herald segment tonight. two hot topics including thoughts on the zimmerman trial. we first start with nfl tightend aaron hernandez who was charged with the execution style murder of his friend last week. is he now also being investigateed of two other men last year. however, back in april, hernandez was still portraying himself as a role model. >> you are obviously a favorite in the hispanic community. what what ways you can give back to the community? >> i just try to be a role model. when i see hispanics that look up to me i try to lead them this the right direction and hopefully it gives a lot of hispanics out there to be a drive to be successful. there is not that many

hispanics in the nfl and it's just an honor to be one. >> laura: despite the fact that hernandez is being held without bail, he still has his fans. [chanting] >> laura: joining us from new york, fox news anchor geraldo rivera. well, herald, is he innocent until proven guilty. these nfl players all have their cadre of hard core fans. that doesn't surprise me all thatch. does it surprise you? >> he is a deep disappointment to me, laura. i must say. and what is most interesting in watching the clip in april of his installing the virtue of playing it it straight on the straight and narrow to the fans there that was two months after he allegedly shot a florida man in the eye, taking the eyeball out. he has now been sued for

that i was never arrested because the allegation is that the complainant, the person he shot in the eye in february, this is before the homicides. the alleged homicides that the person was this drug dealer down in florida. this is a thug. he has tattoos. the blood and the crypts. he was a member of the bristol connecticut bloods. he has got tattoos. gang markings everywhere. they took the hood the thug out of the hoods. they went to the nfl and got a 40-million-dollar five year contract and guess what, he kept hanging around with the same malcontent. now he is facing the not only the murder charge for lloyd. the person he allegedly assassinated mob style but he is also suspected in the murders a year ago unsolved drive by a bmw pulls up and

kills two guys on a boston street corner. unsolved homicide. and that is with his very possible that aaron hernandez is the first mass murderer that we know of in the nfl, laura. >> laura: he was reallyive to f people early on in the process during the draft yet the patriots decided to take a chance on hernandez. now the article written today in the sports world were is this the end of this era for the patriots? i don't really know what that means. people are wondering did they not see anything? plargs he had talked to said he was perfectly fine teammate. he got along with everybody. he didn't show any signs of this and he was basically well liked. i don't think he was tom bread well liked but he was well liked. >> whether he was tom brady i don't know. in florida he was problematic. it's ironic that here you have hernandez and tim tebow come off the same

florida team that won the national championship. you have the most, you know, holly and straight arrow of all players in tebow and aaron hernandez who admitted he came from the hood and as i said the bristol bloods but with hernandez it doesn't seem he ever shook his past. he reportedly failed several blood tests. he hung around with these people from bristol, connecticut from his old neighborhood. it just seemed to me hanging out in night clubs, going around, you know, carrying a weapon. it seems to me that hernandez was a dyed in the wool gang banger who got an awful lot of money and couldn't use that money to change his delightful very much. >> laura: let's move on to the zimmerman trial, heard. i know you have been following it closely. among yesterday's testimony ms. jeantel got the country talking. her demeanor on the stand. the use of the word cracker and the "n" word and so

forth. what's your take away on that and what happened today? >> i disagree with you somewhat in terms of rachel jeantel. i get her and she seemed to me in her own rough and unpolished way to be very sincere. i thought that she was, you know, a witness who certainly on the -- you know, in terms of her recalcitrance and defiance was difficult the first day. you can't blame her forth not being able to read cursive. >> laura: she changed her story. >> she did change her story. even in the con dex of that, yes, she is sitting next to the victim's mom and she is going easy on what she said, you know, in that context. can i understand that. i can also understand how she would feel, you know, it's us against the world. i feel that she has really been pillarried in a way that perhaps is unfair. i thought don west the attorney went too far. they had her the second day. they should have let her go before they started banging

her so badly that they generated some sympathy. >> laura: he wants to win the case. it's not about jeantel. >> let me hesitate to add that george zimmerman is clearly winning this case. >> laura: he is going to win. this virtually impossible, given the testimony today that had zimmerman on his back being pounded by trayvon. >> laura: that's doubt. that's reasonable doubted. >> how reprehensible morally speaking george zimmerman may have been for provoking this incident. i think it's absolutely clear that self-defense applies here and zimmerman will be acquitted, laura. >> laura: all right. thank you, geraldo. more on the zimmerman trial later on. but, when we come right back, will irs official lois lerner be forced to testify about the conservative targeting scandal? we'll have the latest and, later, lawyers for trayvon martin's family now say race is not a factor in the case. it wasn't always that way. we'll have a report coming up. get great deals on great gear at bass pro shops' 4th of july sale.

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>> laura: in the factor follow up segment tonight, you may remember irs senior official lois lerner took the fifth amendment when she testified before congress last month about the political targeting scandal. but today the house oversight committee voted that she waived that privilege clause because she made a brief statement before invoking the fifth amendment. the resolution finding lois lerner waived her fifth amendment provision on may 22nd, 2013 is approved. >> i'm not trying to make this more difficult than it should be. it's just that i think that when he would are dealing with -- i'm very sensitive to this constitution. because i wouldn't be here if it wasn't for it. >> lois lerner is, in fact, a poster child for thumbing

her nose, a federal bureau craft thumbing her nose at congress. >> laura: learn his or her is on paid administrative leave could be called back to the committee and be held in contempt if she refuses to testify. with us now to analyze julianne epstein a democratic strategist. all right, it was on party lines they voted as i said to waive the privilege. dershowitz today, at alan dershowitz the esteemed harvard law professor says she risks being held in contempt of congress for her actions. he didn't think it looks like there was reasonable for her to invehicle the fifth amendment. if she doesn't come back and testify, she could find herself in a heap of trouble. >> she could find herful? a contempt proceeding. remember, just for context, the reason why she invoked the fifth amendment, i think is at least in part because darrell issa the chairman of the committee accused her of a crime. said she had committed false statements. then the question is the legal question. interesting question is once she protests her innocence, remember, unlike a courtroom, in a congressional hearing you have to appear to invoke your fifth amendment

rights. once you protest your innocence, you have waived that right? notwithstanding the comments of allen dershowitz the quinn case going back to the 1950s which suggests that she didn't. in that case you had a lot of conversation going back between the witness and the committee there and it was held that the witness at that point' did not waive the right. >> laura: in june 2011 she first knew that the terms were going to be used to review the 501 c 4 tea party, patriot and so forth it wasn't until this year, that she basically apologized for this having happened under her watch. as she was giving a speech at an aba meeting. why would it take that long for her to realize that this was a bad thing to do? >> i think that's an excellent question. and i certainly wouldn't defend that i think that the committee, i think one thing that you can say, there certain solid darrell issa said earlier this week there is no evidence that attaches any of this want to white house or the president's political staff. i think it is a fair criticism to say as you

point out in your question that once the irs staff knew about this and they were asked about it by congressional officials that they should have given all the information that they knew then we don't have all the answers to the questions that you asked that is a very relevant question. if in fact in june of 2011 she knew that there was targeting. targeting not just of conservative groups but of some other groups as well as we learned earlier this week. if she knew of that and failed to disclose that i do think that's a problem. >> we found out the ig what is his name j russell george by the way put to lie yesterday this idea that the progressive word was used as a search term to, again, slow down or slow walk delay any of these petitions. the idea that the liberals were subjected to the same type of treatment that wasn't the case. a lot of these liberal groups got approval. a few were delayed a little bit. there wasn't that kind of equal burden being put on liberals versus conservatives that story got out that wasn't a true story.

>> i would agree two thirds of what you said. >> laura: you are agreeing too much with me by the way. >> there was about 15 different lists, screening lists. and some of them did include liberal and progressive groups. but for the most part the enhanced screening or targeting was done on the conservative groups. >> laura: lavish parties, spending. another guy take the fifth. >> a lot of these groups on left and right should have never qualified because they were engaged in political activity. >> laura: what students they were tutoring. very intrusive. i think they have lost so much credibility to the extent that the irs has much credibility. >> the new irs regulations on this are bad as well. engage 40% of your time in political activity. you still qualify for the status. that's wrong as well. >> laura: julian, it's good to he see you. race and the george zimmerman trayvon martin murder trial. some surprising remarks by defenders of the victim. we'll may you the tape. later, paula deen's new cookbook hitting number one on the best seller list

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>> laura: in the unresolved problem segment tonight. the senate voted 62 to 38 to pass immigration reform which would allow most illegals the chance to become u.s. citizens. the legislation now heads to the house where it will be met with intense opposition. >> the house is not going to take up and vote on whatever the senate passes.

we're going to do our own bill through regular order and it will be legislation that will reflects the will of our majority and the will of the american people. and for any legislation, including the conference report, to pass the house that's going to have to be a bill that has the support of a majority of our members. >> laura: with us now, alfonso who is the executive director of the latino partnership for conservative principles. alfonso, good to see you, it's going to be a tough road it looks like in the house of representatives for this bill but we will see. anything can happen. why is this bill good for low skilled and poor americans who are struggling to make ends meet. struggling to make a living wage. struggling to keep their family together under really severe economic pressures? >> well, i think it doesn't

threaten them at all. if anything, we need more work visas, the guest worker program created by the senate immigration bill is actually extremely small. one of the reasons rand paul voted against the immigration bill is because it doesn't create a workable market base guest worker program. if american companies cannot find american workers, they should be able to bring in the foreign workers that they need. government should not tell them. >> >> laura: so with 7.6 unemployment today you content that businesses are finding a complete labor shortage major sectors of our economy. a conservative unquestioned conservative principles says the real free market would require businesses to pay higher wages. a lot of people who give though these a lot of these groups support amnesty or immigration reform. a lot of them are fund by big business interest who have a vested interest in keeping wages low he. that adversely effects latinos in this country. african-americans and the working poor. >> but is he actually the

current system that it is unfair to american low skilled workers because right now. american companies can hire undocumented workers at wages below minimum or prevailing wage. if you actually legalize those workers, they are going to be order minimum wage or prevailing wage so they're not going to have an unfair advantage over low skilled workers. >> laura: they are going to be competing across every jobwhen you say 23 million. alfonso you are smart. this is not rocket science. 43 million new people working here in this country. i don't blame those people for wanting to work here at all. i don't blame them at all. i blame the politicians who say we have to do this for business. we have to do this for the latino vote. how about the american people? not the rich because they are not going to be affected. they will get their yards cleaned and houses taken care of and kids taken care of this. is going to hurt the people who work really hard. >> that's not true. >> laura: for republicans to stand against big business that's a death nell for the republican party. >> that's a position that

goes against a free market and conservative principles. >> laura: no, a real free market would have no borders, alfonso. >> you are assuming they are taking jobs away from americans, they are not. >> laura: callers to my radio show absolutely 100% unequivocally say it's happening across the board now. >> that's wrong. they are taking jobs americans don't want. >> laura: because americans are, what? ladies lazy. >> no americans of working age. this is a population issue. our population is growing below the replacement rate. >> laura: you are doing jeb bush not having babies things. >> that's part of it. >> laura: latinos are starting to contra september more. >> we need healthy population growth. we need low skilled workers. >> laura: low skilled people in this country are the ones struggling the most now. struggle less with more competition. >> we will have that workforce that we need and we will have less jobs for americans. >> laura: well, we shall see. but it has to get through the house of representatives. and boehner -- >> -- they can fix it. >> laura: they can fix it

now they have obama care. obama care they can hire foreign workers over obama care. obama care penalty will not have to be paid for foreign workers, do you know that? >> nothing to do with obama care. >> obama care is not happy senate bill because of the guest worker program. >> laura: employers will be incentivized to hire foreign workers alfonso because they don't have the obama care penalty. >> weak unions. >> laura: i appreciate it thank you very much. defenders of trayvon martin no longer want race to play a role in the murder trial. a role in the murder trial. what why themy insurance rates are probably gonna double. but, dad, you've got... [ voice of dennis ] allstate. with accident forgiveness, they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid. [ voice of dennis ] indeed. are you in good hands?

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wwbnagc, walking while black in a gated community. >> trayvon was hunted down like a rabid dog. he was shot in the street. he was racially profiled. >> joining us now from new york is michael skull neck. is he a close friend of the martin family and co-president of the global grind.com. and the entertainment and culture web site and from l.a., politics and race commentator jasmine canick. let's start with you. i'm going back and reading al sharpton's column that he wrote in the spring of last year. why race matters in the trayvon martin tragedy. but now a year plus later, the defense, i mean, the prosecution is telling us well, basically this is not a racial thing and we don't want to inject race into this. i say isn't that a little late. >> let's be very clear, laura. mother of trayvon martin has said very loud and very

clear this is not a black or white thing. it's a right or wrong thing. certainly this issue of travon martin's death has brought up issues of race. what happens in the courtroom no one, no one from the family, no one from the prosecutor, the prosecutor has ever said that george zimmerman killed trayvon martin because he was black. nobody said that. >> don't have to say that by the way i should clarify it wasn't the prosecution that said that it was trayvon martin's family attorney that had made that point. but, you know, you don't have to say that it was done because of race, jasmine to have this be racially continuinged. and i think from the beginning, when you had cable hosts running down there and declaring this, you know a big race case and hosting shows from down there and having, you know, their own little rallies and so forth, this was, and still is to some extent, you know, a racially polarizing case. you cannot get away from that. >> yeah. you have to respect the opinions of the family and the attorney. but at some point i think this has gotten a little bit away from them. they have no control over whether or not it's a race

issue at this point anymore. i think a lot of for instance see it as being a race issue. much similar as to when the president ran in 2008, he didn't want his run to be looked at as the black and white or the first black president '. but it became that we have sort of morphed into that right now. i think the media has a lot to do with that as well. >> and michael, when we first heard about this case, we saw the picture of trayvon as a much younger boy and the indication was that mr. zimmerman was white. and so it was a white guy killing a black teenager. and on its face it sounds terrible. but in the end i guess he is not officially white. he is designated as hispanic. and travon martin. >> hispanic is not a race. >> it's the description of him would be hispanic. as reported today. and that trayvon martin, you know, he was a teenager and he h you know, he had friends and he had interests and he had some, you know, he had some

disciplinary issues like a lot of kids do. >> and so did george. >> and so did he, exactly. >> restraining order against his wife domestic violence and arrested for assaulting a police officer. let's talk about somebody's past. george zimmerman is the one on trial. travon martin is not the one on trial. and george zimmerman came to a fight -- to a fist fight with a gun and killed unarmed teenager. >> laura: you have to prove that in a court of law. can you get all emotional here on the show. can you get all upset but you have to prove it within -- obviously within a reasonable doubt. beyond a reasonable doubt. jadz minute today in court, we had another person testify, supposed to be a prosecution witness. and this prosecution witness came out of his house, looked down at the scene, and described the scene. that was not helpful to the prosecution's case. showed, you know, as he described it, it was like, you know, a pound and ground kind of thing. ww, you know, style fighting.

radical fight scene and, you know, the implication is that, you know, this guy might have been acting in self-defense. you don't have to prove he was acting in self-defense. you just have to raise some doubt about it. >> look, this is far from being over. we have heard from a couple of witnesses. we will hear from a lot more. i think it's a little too soon to start to figure out if doubt has been established or not. i think that rachel was a great, great witness. and i think that as we move forward we will hear from other people. >> laura: how was she a great witness? >> she was an excellent witness. she was an excellent witness. she stuck to her story. she stuck. >> laura: she changed her story. >> whether or not people understood -- whether or not people understood what she was saying, she stuck with it and she told the truth from her perspective. >> laura. >> laura: she changed her story. i understood everything she said. >> she -- >> laura: guys, she is not

on trial. it's just that she is a witness for the prosecution. and she ultimately will be helpful or not helpful to the prosecution. that's all that's involved with, you know, ms. jeantel. >> i think she was very helpful for the prosecution because she proved. >> exactly. she was great. >> he was the aggressor. >> that's right. >> laura: michael and jasmine i think her credibility got absolutely hammered yesterday. we will see. directly ahead, fans of paula deen are racing to buy her cookbooks, the companies who cut her loose are proving less forgiving. we will analyze the situation coming up. ♪ nothing says, "i'm happy to see you too," like a milk-bone biscuit. ♪ say it with milk-bone.

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in a personal story segment tonight, despite a growing list of companies severing ties with paula deen today, both sears and

jcpenney announce they are cutting ties, the fans continue to stand by her and the two cookbooks are number one and number two on amazon best-seller list, despite the fact that one of the books won't be released until october. what is behind the surge in sales? and this is the start of a comeback already? joining us is entertainment attorney crystal mccreary. there always seemeds to be a second act in celebritidom, politics, sports. are we beginning see this with paula deen? companies are saying no thanks. >> she has the we support paula deen facebook page with thousands and thousands of followers. an iconic beloved figure, who has spent years building a career and following, they won't just jump ship because of this happening. and, you know, the fact that the statements were made, you know, least in her deposition, she said they were made a few

decades ago. as an african-american, an american woman, i don't like hearing her saying that she used the "n" word. the issue is what is in her heart. none of us know what is in paula deen's heart. it may not have been her intent to offend anybody. i have met her on an occasion, spent some time with her. she's from that era. you have to look defect aat the and take this opportunity to not look at herself as a victim in this, but to begin a discussion, a meaningful and constructive discussion that discusses how words have power, particularly something as racially divisive as the "n" word. as a parent, as a mother, as a citizen who has brown children running around, i don't want to have my kids have someone call them -- i don't like them hearing that word. >> crystal, it's kind of

interesting, not to go back to the zimmerman thing, but given what we learned and what we know about urban culture and the way youth talk, sometimes black youth came out in the trial, the "n" word, cracker, all this stuff. >> sure. >> and people saying that's okay because that's authentic and that's the way the kids talk. they are words and powerful, and whether it's paula deen or some kid from chicago, you know, we all have to be really a little bit more sensitive and understanding of how demeaning this is to everyone. >> sure. >> demeaning to her, demeaning to african-americans, demeanings stuff, in music or from anywhere else. >> not her finest moment, i'm sure she feels horrible about it for a number of reasons, but the fact of the matter is, we do have to have accountability. >> well, and i think what we're seeing now is people are saying, okay, is this really who she is? did she say it 20 years ago?

not excusing it, but do you throw away an entire career when we see other celebrities who make incredible comebacks. >> she is coming back. you cannot negate what she has done in her career. cannot negate the positive she's done. i don't like it coming out, what she said, the plantation themed wedding that she wanted. she said i want a plantation themed wedding, and people were enslaved. >> i don't know that's true. someone tweeted me that's not true. it seems bizarre. >> it came up in the deposition, that she actually said that she wanted a plantation themed wedding. >> are we being too hard on rachel jeantelor paula deen -- >> it's a teachable moment. >> appreciate it. when we come back, a fox news exclusive on the benghazi situation. you don't want to miss this. ♪

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in the back of the book segment, a brand new special, benghazi, the truth behind the smoke screen, airing at 10:00 p.m. eastern on fox news channel. he explains what new investigation has been uncovered. bret, what did you uncover? >> we have gone over hundreds and hundreds of newly declassified documents and talking to people in the know. we essentially structure this hour as a new timeline, and we lay it out piece by piece. a lot of things came out in the last week with general carter ham testifying behind closed doors about the military situation and the assets available in benghazi. what we've learned, when you put this all together, it paints a picture that while there are still a lot of questions, a lot

of people out there is aisaying something went wrong. we have a new interview with basili nikoula basili. he's the filmmaker. when you hear his story, it's absurd. >> the fact that this video caused the whole situation in benghazi. >> the theme, he tried to have -- he shows the movie in the vine theater in hollywood, and trying to gelt muslims to come there and get upset. the innocence of bin laden is what it's called at the time. get upset and his associate will videotape them coming out. it doesn't happen. it's absurd and so obscure, you think these two guys are at the

center of what ended up being the secretary of the state and president of the united states talking about this video that wasn't getting any hits. >> and nailjailed a long period time. >> and still not getting hits on youtube. >> the suspect that was interrogated and released? we don't get any since of where the investigation is going. a lot of people involved on the attack at the compound. the murder of the ambassador and three others. >> there is a man from libya tied to the attack that has since been released. a number of people told us they know who is responsible in libya. but they are still on the lamb. why? the internal discussion is that fbi can't get to them. because of security concerns. it is really amazing when you go minute by minute and we have people in the know, we have laid it all out by the timeline and there is new details in the past week with what the military could and could not have done.

>> the strangle thing, brad. 15 seconds, how long it took to get to the compound. it took weeks before they were there on the scene. >> why didn't the military go in? we were told there wasn't a stand down order. they were told to stay in tripoli. more to come. >> 10:00. can't wait. i have it dvr'd. before we go, a reminder about "the factor's" mission to get every veteran a track chair. the eight highest bidders will receive this autographed photograph. if you don't get a picture, not on the hook for the donation, don't worry and if you want a facsimile photo, donate 25 bucks or more at independencefund.org to find out more about my radio show, podcasts, books, go to

lauraingram.com. bill back on monday. thank you for watching tonight. i'm laura ingraham in for bill o'reilly and please remember, the spin stops here, because we're always looking out for you. have a great weekend welcome to hannity. tonight, full coverage of the george zimmerman murder trial. throughout the program, highlights from day five and legal and law enforcement experts to break it down for you. first, the most shocking revelation from the day's testimony. a neighbor who witnessed the "tussle" between george zimmerman and trayvon martin. john good saw martin on top of zimmerman. watch this. >> at that point, could you tell there was one individual there at least or two people? >> i could tell there were two when they were still vertical. >> all right. and you could -- could you tell at that time in terms of describing who was on top and who was on the bottom? >> i could only see colors of